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Use of the term "webring"


  • From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson  
  • Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:28:25 +0100

[ this message was also sent to the Ringlink-open mailing list and the World of Webrings mailing list ]

Dear Lincoln,

In October last year you called my attention to the service mark you had been granted by the US Patent and Trademark Office. You "offered" to license the use of the term "webring" to me, or else you suggested that I remove the term from my site.

You seem to be concerned about the use of the term webring in connection with Ringlink and other programs/services for running webrings. Let me state:

1. The term "webring" - as opposed to e.g. WebRing.org or WebRing.com - was used in a generic sense long before your registered date of first use 2001-10-16. Examples:

- That's how I used the term when I announced the first version of Ringlink at 2000-07-31: http://arc.ringlink.org/ringlink-open/msg00000.html

- A large number of site owners, who either run webrings or were members of various webrings in the beginning of this century, used the term "webring" in the generic sense. For instance, web pages where people stated "these are the webrings I belong to:" (or something similar), followed by both WebRing.org and RingSurf navigation panels, were commonplace (still are).

2. Beginning some time during the 90's there has been a community of people who like webrings and want to promote the webring concept irrespective of which software and/or service is used to run the rings. The community started in forums that were provided by WebRing.org. Then there was an email list at eGroups, followed by an email list at Topica: http://lists.topica.com/lists/ringmgr Today there is a web site, World of Webrings http://www.webringworld.org/, where you find various generic information about webrings including an email list: http://www.webringworld.org/list

3. The principal topic on those mailing lists has varied. For instance, in 2002 there was a lot of talk about WebRing.com's service on the World of Webrings list, and the owner of Webring Inc. Tim Killeen was an active participant in the discussion for several months. http://www.webringworld.org/mailarc/mail24.html Through his participation he acknowledged World of Webrings, which has all along been a place to discuss webrings in general.

4. Wikipedia's webring page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring starts with a decent generic description of what a webring is. Even if the history section of that page is rather biased (written by someone at Webring Inc.?), the page as a whole demonstrates that "webring" is a generic term.

5. The service mark you were granted refers to services that provide search engines. It should be noted that Ringlink is a program for running webrings, not a search engine.

I'm of the firm opinion that you should never have been granted the "webring" service mark. I find your claim, that I should stop using a term that I have been using all since Ringlink was introduced - and even before that - to be simply unreasonable.

Yours sincerely,

Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Goteborg, Sweden


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